Rickey Gates has been described as a “conceptual runner” combining the practice of endurance running with the artistic mediums of photography and writing. After nearly a decade competing on a national and international mountain, trail and ultra running circuit, he took his love for ultra-endurance, storytelling and photography to his project-based runs that have included a run across America, every single street in San Francisco and currently the 50 classic trails of North America. His debut book Cross Country and feature-length film chronicle his 3,700 mile journey across the United States.He and Zuckerman discuss forced meditation, the poetry of the untaken URL, running to find a clean and safe mental state, why there is never too much, and how it is a luxury to suffer!Tom Simpson - https://www.rapha.cc/us/en_US/stories/discovering-the-real-tom-simpsonHunter Thompson - https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/rolling-stone-at-50-how-hunter-s-thompson-became-a-legend-115371/Gretchen Bleiler - https://www.gretchenbleiler.comTransamericana - http://www.rickeygates.comRich Roll - https://www.richroll.comEvery Single Street - https://www.everysinglestreet.comHamish Fulton - https://www.tate.org.uk/art/artists/hamish-fulton-1133Helen Mirra - http://hmirra.netThis episode is brought to you by Kelly Klee private insurance . Please check out their website:and they will make a $50donation to Artadia, an art charity I’ve recommended, per each qualified referral.This episode is brought to you byBest & Co. Please visitand use discount code Heidi2020 to receive 5% off of any item on the Best & Co. website. If you are interested in creating a custom piece please emailand mention that you heard about Best & Co. on my podcast to receive the special discount.Interested in sponsoring the podcast? Please emailIf you enjoy the podcast, would you please considerleaving a shortreviewon Apple Podcasts/iTunes?It takes less than 60 seconds, and it really makes a difference in helping to convince hard-to-get guests.Follow Heidi:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/heidi-zuckerman-a236b55/